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Harry Potter. Lucius and Narcissa in search of Draco during the Battle of Hogwarts.

Specs and credits: Hexagon 2.5, Daz Studio 4.6 Pro, 3Delight, Smoke Set 1 by Falln-Stock, Fractal Brushes Set by Mark-S.

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Tatgoat Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014
Lucius' face is a mask of agony Narcissa seems almost calm in comparisson:DDD
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:) I think it's a really fascinating scene actually. Lucius has completely thrown caution and his own safety to the wind, and he would have been an absolute wreck. Whereas I can imagine Narcissa, finally able to do what she's wanted to do all along - break away with her family - is actually energised by it.
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Tatgoat Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014
I see:) It really makes sense now:D:D:D
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Ananya-Talvi Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Luckily this family was able to stay together everntually. Although I always wondered why they didn't send Lucius to Azkaban, I think this family had a happy ending of some kind. After all the chaos Lucius had put his wife and son through...

Amazing picture! I love the expressions on their faces, especially Narcissa's.

Where do you always find those amazing clothes? I hardly find anything, and if I do it doesn't fit...
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you! I've been wanting to do an action shot of this scene for a while.

Yes, I always thought JKR's assertion that Harry saved Lucius from Azkaban was a bit too pat. The MoM was never merciful, and I don't see that changing overnight, regardless of Kingsley. Culture change is something a leader brings in by stealth over several years, usually with active opposition from senior people below. And he still had an existing prison sentence not served, as well. But they certainly do horsetrade, and I can imagine Lucius might have given up some valuable information, such as names and hiding places of defected DEs.

Most clothes I buy from the DAZ store, and they're custom fit for the figures and usually have at least some action morphs, and they clearly state whether something is Poser compatible. (The action morphs are pretty laborious to make, so it's rare to find them in freebies). But I usually still have to clean things up in postwork. For instance, Lucius' tunic went into his left leg where he's stepping forward and I had to patch it, and Narcissa's skirt wouldn't kick forward enough to completely cover her running leg, so I just set her thigh and shin to be invisible. I also use colour settings and shaders and opacity a lot to adapt clothes - Narcissa's dress was originally black and red, and I gave the red bits a grey wool shader and hid a trailing lace sleeve decoration. (It was connected to the arm bands). There's a really nice men's casual outfit called Effortless Cool that I've used at least half a dozen times, in different colour and texture schemes:

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The DAZ store is expensive, and I do spend much too much there, but their Platinum Club is great value - a lot of things come down to $1.99. In Daz Studio, the Genesis 2 models can also use V4/M4 and Genesis clothes through auto-follow, which isn't perfect but you can usually muddle through it. I don't know if that's the case in Poser - Daz content from Genesis onwards comes in through some sort of importer, and I don't know what does and doesn't work after it's been brought in. Daz store content for V4/M4 and backward are apparently fully Poser compatible. (Factoid that explains a lot of this - the people behind DAZ were originally part of the Poser team who split over creative differences - including a belief that there was too much focus on the software and insufficient attention to figures and their clothing. This was a looong time ago and they fully supported Poser for ages, only starting to break off with Genesis). I also buy from Renderosity and RuntimeDNA, which are much more Poser-oriented - it's more usual to find things there that work in Poser and not Daz.

You might also like to check out Wilmap on ShareCG.com - she does a lot of amazing clothing, and it's all free. She's a Daz person, but most of the ShareCG freebies are more on the Poser side of things.
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Ananya-Talvi Featured By Owner May 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's really a pity that Effortless Cool is only for Genesis 2, because I haven't seen any other casual wear that's so flexible and nice.

Is it just me or is everyone having such a hard time with clothes? I mean, the whole 3D business would only be half as time-consuming if there wasn't that annoying clothes problem... ;)
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deslea Featured By Owner May 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I think most people struggle one way or another, although a bit less in the DAZ world. Auto-convert between figures doesn't fix everything though - it overrides some manual adjustments you might otherwise choose to make, which can be annoying. Morphs work fine, but manual bends with the rigging don't. That's only things that have auto-adapted for a non-native figure though.
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Ananya-Talvi Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you very much for taking so much time to write this all down for me! I'll try out those links as soon as possible!
I'm actually really going crazy because of those damned clothes. I've tried a lot to make some robes suitable for Tom, but robes seem to be the worst of all things you can work with in Poser (or any other software, that is). I didn't have much time to try out things over the weekend, though, but I hope I can find some more time this week. I have found a tool that can convert clothes from different figures to others in Poser, but don't yet know how well this will work. It would be amazing if I could use all those M4/V4 clothes on my figures. It seems the best clothes were only made for them. Was it as frustrating for you as it is for me to get the hang on working with clothes?
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry, I should have said, she's lemonade8 here on DA.
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Also, you might like to ask my friend lemonade8 (she said it was okay to get in touch) - she's a Poser user, and even if she can't help herself, she might be able to point you to someone who can. (The 3D world can be a harsh one in some places - a bit like the harsher pockets of fandom - so it's good to look for help through friends and friends-of-friends when you can).
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Ananya-Talvi Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you so much for introducing me to her! You can't imagine how much this means to me! I've just sent her a note. I hope I didn't ask too stupid question, but we'll see.
The problem about the 3D world is in first place that most of the tutorials I've found on Google didn't help much. There were some useful ones that taught me about how to use Poser, but most things I had to find out by myself in a long chain of trial and error. This can be very frustrating. So thank you once again for making this contact possible!
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome! She's lovely, and knows her way around this stuff (on the Poser side at least) a lot more than I.
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Ananya-Talvi Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
She's really a very lovely person - so thanks again for introducing me to her. She really knows a lot about Poser, so I'm positive that I can learn from her.

I've been thinking about giving DAZ a second chance, though. There seem to be things where DAZ is better than Poser (and the other way around), so it's maybe not that bad of an idea to get a little closer to it...
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome - she is lovely.

It wouldn't hurt. I know quite a few people who get the best of both worlds by doing parts of scenes in one and then exporting into the other when they need to, although I think people always have a "primary" one and they only go into the other for something specific. I haven't done so as yet myself, but I probably will as Daz and Poser get further apart.
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome! Clothes are always a pain. I actually think that's part of why skankwear is so popular - it doesn't usually interfere with poses. Plus lots of 3D art is done by young males. ;)

In some ways it's easier in Daz because there's a lot of automation and plug-ins to do the work. I wonder if it would be worth you having Daz just to set up the clothing rig, and then save as a preset in a deprecated format that Poser can read? I don't know enough about what Poser does on the other end to know if that's a viable option, and I should say that you need to buy some of the plug-ins to enable the conversions. So take this as a suggestion to investigate, not necessarily something that will definitely work for you.

Another really sneaky trick, if you're desperate enough? Say you have a character based on, say, Dawn. But you want clothes/hair that only work with V4. Bring in an instance of V4, pose her in the same position and place as Dawn (it's fiddly!), put the clothes on her, make V4's body invisible, and tweak as necessary. (Slight movements, morphs, make parts of Dawn that poke through invisible, etc). You might have all sorts of fiddly things to clean up in photoshop afterwards, but if you're desperate, it's an option.
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Ananya-Talvi Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you very much for all the information you're providing! You always give me some new perspectives how to solve problems. Maybe I should really give DAZ a second chance, at least for working on clothes... I've got Wardrobe Wizard for Poser, though, and it seems to make a quite good job, but it always screws up the sleeves of robes. If I had known before that most awesome clothes were designed for M4/V4 I would have based my characters on them, but now it's to late... On the other hand I want to keep those figures because there are so many possibilities of adapting them to whatever I want. I'm also absolutely sure I wouldn't be able to make such a perfect Tom out of Michael 4 (plus the fact that I'll never be able to make his face look so very much like him again). However, I'll keep trying to get those robes right. There _must_ be a way and I never give up easily... ;)
And I agree about skankwear - it's everywhere and I can't get rid of the impression that there are mostly young men out there who are only interested in half-naked women...
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Sleeves are an absolute hell of a thing to work with, I'm afraid! Long sleeves just don't seem to ever go where you want them. I don't think there's a universal trick with them, ever. I think you just kind of get more and more workarounds up your sleeve until finally you've got one for...most situations. ;)

The other thing you could try is to make an adapted version of your models in M4/V4 dimensions. Literally stand your Voldemort and M4 side-by-side and use the translation settings on each bone to make them the same height, same length arms, etc. They'd still have the other model as the base, but you might be able to force Poser to somehow accept the clothes to the model (I don't know enough about Poser to say how you'd do that), and the clothing should fit because it's a close match for M4.

The other thing you could do - this is getting pretty advanced, but it would certainly solve the problem without re-sculpting from scratch - is geograft your Voldemort's head to M4's body. I can't tell you how to do it because I haven't done it myself, but the theory is like this. Let's say you want to attach something to a figure - say wings for V4. You'd start off by copying a section of planes off the back of V4. Then you'd make and attach the wings. As long as the "connecting" planes are an exact match for the planes on V4, you can somehow tell Daz/Poser that this is an attachment. So you'd have [Voldemort's head] + [one circle of M4's neck] = Voldemort's head as an attachment that can be put onto M4. In the course of geografting, you somehow tell the program that the graft point is the set of planes on the attachment that correspond to planes on M4.
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Ananya-Talvi Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It really seems that much of what I want to do is based on workarounds eventually. Luckily there are things that can be fixed with Photoshop, even screwed up sleeves of robes, but there are also many things that make me go up the wall... *sighs* But I really do hope that skill comes with practice here - the more I work with it the more I find solutions for different problems - hopefully...

I'm quite happy that I've found Wardrobe Wizard, though. It's able to make M4/V4 clothes (kinda) suitable for my figures. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.

I've taken another closer look at both V4 and M4 and thus remembered why I dropped them. There are lots and lots of face morphs on the Poser originals that can be changed and adapted - things I can't do with the DAZ figures. I was able to make Tom's face look like I wanted by using the morph tool, so I didn't need Hexagon (Hexagon was a disaster of its very own, actually - either it refused to work or it crashed).
Also, when I compare Michael's body to Ryan's I must say that I like Ryan's much more. He's a lot more delicate and my Tom is just like that. So yeah, I think I'll stick with the figures I have and try to find workarounds for the clothes problem (plus I'm hopeful that your friend has a few more ideas).

Deslea, I have no clue how I can ever return all your favours! You're a wonderful person indeed!
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
EEP! Don't do this! (The Ryan-to-M4 thing below). Autofit only works on Genesis and above. (I just spent eight hours trying to do a Laura to V4 autofit).

I have another idea that's more fiddly again, but it should work. Leave it with me - I'll do it and do a tutorial on it.
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh - I've been thinking about the Ryan/M4 thing. It relies on having Daz as part of your workflow, because it uses autofit, but it should work:

One-time: Make an M4 Ryan clone morph in Daz. I've never done this, but the theory goes - import Ryan into Daz and load M4 as well. Re-shape Ryan into M4's proportions. (Will probably be pretty fiddly - expect it to take a few hours, and make sure you save it as a scene a lot along the way). Save it out as a Ryan morph, ticking the clone option. My journal entry here: deslea.deviantart.com/journal/… links to a DAZ forum thread about it.

Each time you want to use Ryan wearing a particular item of clothing: Start a Daz scene. Load Ryan. Try to put an M4 clothing item on him. A popup will appear asking for auto-fit options. Tell it that it's an M4 item and what sort of item it is. Daz will make it fit. Save the scene (with just clothed Ryan in it), making sure to use a Poser file format. Open the scene in Poser, and/or merge it into your existing Poser scene if Poser has that option.
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deslea Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're most welcome - I'm glad you're enjoying it!

And actually, that makes a lot of sense about V4/M4. I think I tried Daz first, went to Poser because it had the head room, then found I couldn't modify V4/M4 and that's when I went back to Daz and to Hexagon. There are alternatives to Hex (which can be pretty buggy - you can make it more stable by running in compatibility mode for Windows 7 though) - Blender is free, but it has a really steep learning curve; very advanced but a poor interface because it's open source and the development has been uneven. Very intimdating. I don't model in it, I only pop in there to do odd things I can't do elsewhere.

Is Ryan one of Poser's Generation 4 figures? If so, you could check out Poserworld. They have a different marketing model - you buy a subscription and can download whatever you like. A three-month subscription is $20, and as long as you're paid up when you download, you're legal (you don't have to keep subscribing to use it). They have 27 items for P4 Male, including some biblical robes that you could probably re-texture. You can go on there and see what they have without a login, and then decide if you want it.
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